Profiling Data At the Network-Layer and Controlling It's Movement Is a Bad Thing?

I've been watching what appears like a car crash in slow-motion and for some strange reason I share some affinity and/or responsibility for what is unfolding in the debate between Rory and Rob.

What motivated me to comment on this on-going exploration of data-centric security was Rory's last post in which he appears to refer to some points I raised in my original post but still bent on the idea that the crux of my concept was tied to DRM:

So .. am I anti-security? Nope I'm extremely pro-security. My feeling is however that the best way to implement security is in ways which it's invisable to users. Every time you make ordinary business people think about security (eg, usernames/passwords) they try their darndest to bypass those requirements.

That's fine and I agree.  The concept of ADAPT is completely transparent to "users."  This doesn't obviate the fact that someone will have to be responsible for characterizing what is important and relevant to the business in terms of "assets/data," attaching weight/value to them, and setting some policies regarding how to mitigate impact and ultimately risk.

Personally I'm a great fan of network segregation and defence in depth at the network layer. I think that devices like the ones crossbeam produce are very useful in coming up with risk profiles, on a network by network basis rather than a data basis and managing traffic in that way. The reason for this is that then the segregation and protections can be applied without the intervention of end-users and without them (hopefully) having to know about what security is in place.

So I think you're still missing my point.  The example I gave of the X-Series using ADAPT takes a combination of best-of-breed security software components such as FW, IDP, WAF, XML, AV, etc. and provides you with segregation as you describe.  HOWEVER, the (r)evolutionary delta here is that the ADAPT profiling of content set by policies which are invisible to the user at the network layer allows one to make security decisions on content in context and control how data moves.

So to use the phrase that I've seen in other blogs on this subject, I think that the "zones of trust" are a great idea, but the zone's shouldn't be based on the data that flows over them, but the user/machine that are used. It's the idea of tagging all that data with the right tags and controlling it's flow that bugs me.

...and thus it's obvious that I completely and utterly disagree with this statement.  Without tying some sort of identity (pseudonymity) to the user/machine AND combining it with identifying the channels (applications) and the content (payload) you simply cannot make an informed decision as to the legitimacy of the movement/delivery of this data.

I used the case of being able to utilize client-side tagging as an extension to ADAPT, NOT as a dependency.  Go back and re-read the post; it's a network-based transparent tagging process that attaches the tag to the traffic as it moves around the network.  I don't understand why that would bug you?

So that's where my points in the previous post came from, and I still reckon their correct. Data tagging and parsing relies on the existance of standards and their uptake in the first instance and then users *actually using them* and personally I think that's not going to happen in general companies and therefore is not the best place to be focusing security effort...

Please explain this to me?  What standards need to exist in order to tag data -- unless of course you're talking about the heterogeneous exchange and integration of tagging data at the client side across platforms?  Not so if you do it at the network layer WITHIN the context of the architecture I outlined; the clients, switches, routers, etc. don't need to know a thing about the process as it's done transparently.

I wasn't arguing that this is the end-all-be-all of data-centric security, but it's worth exploring without deadweighting it to the negative baggage of DRM and the existing DLP/Extrusion Prevention technologies and methodologies that currently exist.

ADAPT is doable and real; stay tuned.

/Hoff